My Comments on Rev. Andy Webb’s Breakdown of the ARP Statement:
Rev. Webb’s remarks in full can be found here also, without my commentary:
https://x.com/PastorAndyWebb/status/2022046210375500116
Now, my comments are inserted in BOLD
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“The Mildest Position
At the risk of being told I’m writing another dissertation,
I’m tired enough of reading the loaded “What is the mildest position this
resolution condemns?” question in reference to the ARP’s declaration on
theological or political teachings which posit a superiority of race or ethnic
identity born of immutable* human characteristics to attempt to write a reply.
In doing so, I cannot claim to speak for the entire ARP, and I need to
emphasize that these are only my own thoughts, not a statement from my session
or presbytery.
Let’s begin by looking at the original statement, and let me
start by giving what is in essence a summary of my position – a TL;DR if you
will:
"That the 221st General Synod of the Associate Reformed
Presbyterian Church do on this solemn day condemn without distinction any
theological or political teaching which posits a superiority of race or ethnic
identity born of immutable human characteristics and does on this solemn
evening call to repentance any who would promote or associate themselves with
such teaching, either by commission or omission."
To which some have repeatedly asked, “What is the mildest
position this resolution condemns?”
To me, that question is rather like when teens ask,
"How much hanky panky can we get away with on a date before we've broken
the 7th Commandment?" or if someone asks, "What's the mildest untruth
I can tell without breaking the 9th commandment?"
We would immediately point out why both of those questions
are fundamentally wrongheaded.
But to get to the point, the 221st General Synod did not
condemn tone, temperament, or political preference. It condemned a principle:
the teaching that any race or ethnic identity is inherently superior by virtue
of immutable characteristics.
There is no “mild” version of racial superiority that is
acceptable in Christian theology. Either one believes that all people are
equally created in the image of God and “from one blood” (Acts 17:26), or one
does not. Either one rejects partiality and inherited hierarchy (James 2), or
one does not reject them.
[Yes, indeed, and I and all race realists that I know of
affirm that all people are equally made in God's image and are from one blood
as Acts 17:26 states. Regarding not showing partiality per James 2, I
can heartily affirm Matthew Poole's words on that passage here. Whether or not
that passes Rev. Webb's standards, who knows:
"To have, then, the faith of Christ with respect of
persons, is to esteem the professors of religion, not for their faith, or
relation to Christ, but according to their worldly condition, their being great
or mean, rich or poor; this the apostle taxeth in the Hebrews to whom he wrote,
that whereas in the things of God all believers are equal, they respected the
greater and richer sort of professors, because great or rich; so as to despise
those that were poor or low. The Greek hath the word plurally, respects, which
may intimate the several ways of respecting persons, in judgment or out, of
judgment. This doth not exclude the civil respect we owe to magistrates and
superiors upon the account of their places or gifts; but only a respecting men
in the things of religion upon such accounts as are extrinsical to religion;
or, with prejudice to others as considerable in religion as themselves, though
inferior to them in the world."]
The resolution does not forbid cultural pride, love of
heritage, debates over immigration, or prudential political debate. It draws a
clear theological boundary against racial superiority rooted in birth. That
boundary is not radical. It is simply Christian.
If someone keeps searching for the mildest possible form of
racial hierarchy to preserve, the real issue is not the wording of the
resolution but the principle it rejects.
The ARP Synod and the other Presbyterian Assemblies that
have adopted the statement spoke clearly, biblically, and appropriately.
[Actually, no, it still isn't really that clear to me and
many others precisely what is condemned, and what is not. But let's keep
reading Webb's explanation of the statement.]
That’s enough for the broad summary statement, now let me
get into the weeds and discuss the specifics:
When people repeatedly ask, “What is the mildest position
this resolution condemns?” (from this point on I’m going to refer to this as
“the question”) they imagine they have exposed a weakness, but the question
itself rests on a misunderstanding of how Christian moral boundaries function.
The General Synod’s resolution (hereafter “the resolution”) does not operate on
a sliding scale of tone, emphasis, or temperature. It addresses a principle:
any theological or political teaching that posits a superiority of race or
ethnic identity born of immutable human characteristics. That is a categorical
boundary, not a spectrum.
[Still need to know what exactly is a "teaching that
posits a superiority of race or ethnic identity born of immutable human
characteristics." If we note that IQ is much lower in some races than
others, and that those with higher IQ on average have a superiority in this
area that is strongly connected to their lineage or race or biology or
genetics, does that run afoul of the resolution?]
Let me try to expand on that by pointing out at least five
problems with the question itself.
The first problem with the question is simple category
confusion. Either a teaching asserts inherent racial superiority grounded in
immutable traits, or it does not. There is no meaningful “mild” version of that
principle. It’s like asking, “What is the mildest form of denying Christ’s
Lordship?” Once the principle is embraced, the question has already crossed the
line, even in its mildest form. Christian theology does not measure sin by
decibel level.
[Why is it sinful to say that some races of men have
superiorities in certain ways over others? Is it a sin to say that men were
designed to rule women, and women were not designed to rule and lead? Has this
already crossed over into sin to assert this? Asian people have the highest
average IQ, and it has been this way as long as we have been measuring IQ. If
one concludes that this is an immutable characteristic, or something that would
only change over many, many generations, have we now run afoul of "the resolution"?]
Secondly, the resolution condemns the principle itself, not
its tone. Someone might say, “Race A is inherently more suited for leadership
than Race B.” Even if one frames that claim politely or statistically, the
claim itself still asserts racial superiority rooted in immutable
characteristics, and the gentleness or harshness of one’s delivery does not
change the substance of the claim. James makes the point in chapter 2 that
Christians are not to “hold the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory,
with partiality” but to love our neighbors as ourselves. He writes in James
2:8-9, “If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture,
"You shall love your neighbor as yourself," you do well; but if you
show partiality, you commit sin, and are convicted by the law as
transgressors.” The apostle does not say you can express partiality as long as
you do it in a moderate or “mild” manner.
[Now this is truly a non-sequitur. What on earth does
James 2 have to do with recognizing that some races or nations or tribes or
people groups are better and more suited for leadership than others? And how
far does Rev. Webb take this? Are we allowed to say that ANY individual human
being is more suited for leadership than others? Are females just as capable of
leadership as males? Are all males equally capable of ruling and leading as
every other male? Is this really what we must believe in order to not be
excommunicated?! Is it really sinful partiality to notice that some people are
more naturally gifted at ruling well and leading than others?]
Thirdly, the question actually functions as a rhetorical
trap. It assumes that if we can identify a mild edge case, then the resolution
must be extreme and is therefore to be rejected in toto, but clarity about sin
does not make a standard unreasonable. The Sixth Commandment does not become
harsh because someone asks about the mildest form of hatred that it condemns as
sinful. Similarly, the Ninth Commandment does not become excessive because
someone finds some mild distortions of truth to be acceptable, especially when
the distortion is in answer to questions like, “Does this dress make me look
fat?” Scripture sets categorical lines because God’s moral law reflects His
holy and unchanging character.
The issue of what the Word of God says about races is, of
course, key to this entire matter. Acts 17:26 declares that God “has made from
one blood every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth”. That
verse does not deny cultural diversity, but it does deny ontological hierarchy.
[Wow. Truly confusing. But I and every race realist,
kinist, ethno-nationalist, Christian Nationalist, and all the other words that
scare Rev. Webb that I know affirm that we all come from Adam and that God has
made from one blood every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth.
I do not know anyone saying that there is an ontological hierarchy. However, it
does seem that Rev. Webb thinks that the 1 talent person, 2 talent person, and
5 talent person (or race or nation for that matter) must imply an ontological
distinction. This is false. Males are made to rule, women are not. Does this
mean that women are ontologically inferior to men? And there still needs to be
further defining of "ontological hierarchy" anyway. But if the point
is that we are all equally made in God's image, yes and amen. If Webb is
demanding that we affirm that all are equally gifted and given the same amount
of natural talents, well, no, the Bible and reality clearly demonstrate
otherwise.]
Humanity shares one origin and one image-bearing dignity.
Genesis 1:27 teaches that man is created in the image of God, and that image is
not distributed in degrees along racial lines.
[This is so unclear and muddled. No one I know of would
deny that we all have one origin (in Adam), and further, we have a
"dignity" from that Adam. We are all fallen in Adam. I have also
never heard anyone I am close with say that God's image is diluted or reduced
or removed by degrees along racial lines. All races are from Adam, and are 100%
in the image of God. But surely we can recognize that total depravity is not
utter or radical depravity, and that while all are dead in trespasses and sins,
some suppress the truth in unrighteousness more than others? God has given over
some more to their wickedness than others. And again, going back to the parable
of the talents, etc., some have more natural capacities, in more measure, than
others. All have arms, legs, and brains (barring birth defects and obvious
things like that). Some are born with stronger and healthier bodies, some with
sharper minds. Who on earth would say that a stronger mind and body at birth,
inherited from a healthy lineage or pedigree means that you have more of the
image of God in you than a person with a weaker body or mind? The image of God
is not a "dimmer switch" like that. But, I do believe that some
Reformed theologians will make a distinction regarding the image of God in a
narrower and broader sense. But I trust this is sufficient for now.]
Ephesians 2:14 proclaims that Christ “has made both one, and
has broken down the middle wall of separation”. The gospel tears down inherited
barriers; it does not sanctify them. To claim that immutable racial
characteristics confer superiority is to contradict both creation and
redemption.
[“The gospel tears down inherited barriers; it does not
sanctify them". What does this mean? Whatever it means, it is likely a
confusion of our unity in Christ, a Spiritual unity, with a natural or racial
unity or something like that. Is Rev. Webb trying to say that those in Christ,
or since the coming of Christ in general, racial differences in terms of
natural giftings and aptitudes are now "torn down" and all are
perfectly equal? This is clearly not the case. Further, how in the world does
this deny both creation and redemption? Adam and Eve were both made in God's
image, yet distinctly, as male and female, with different giftings and
purposes. Is it really hard to imagine in even an unfallen world, races would
develop over time, and some races would be superior to others in certain
abilities and giftings? Or would we all be the same height, weight, strength,
and intelligence from the start? And for those now redeemed in Christ, are we
all equal in our abilities and giftings? So many Bible verses and common sense
tell us otherwise. There are higher and lower Spiritual gifts, and we are told
Christ gives His gifts as He sees fit, in His measure. The WLC 124 on the 5th
commandment says that we are to honor "all superiors in age and
gifts" and one of the proof texts for "gifts" is Genesis 4:20-22
which states,
'And Adah bore Jabal. He was the father of those who
dwell in tents and have livestock. 21 His brother’s name was Jubal. He was
the father of all those who play the harp and flute. 22 And as for Zillah,
she also bore Tubal-Cain, an instructor of every craftsman in bronze and iron.
And the sister of Tubal-Cain was Naamah.'
I would love for Rev. Webb to answer what it means that
Jabal was the "father" of those who dwell in tents and have
livestock, or that Jubal was the "father of all those who play the harp
and flute". Is this not clearly connecting lineage and aptitude in certain
areas, and saying these are superiors and especially gifted by God to do these
things? Is being a tent-dweller and having livestock a supernatural gift, or is
it not a natural aptitude and capacity? Was this all abolished somehow at the
cross when Christ came to earth, so that now no one is more naturally gifted
and inclined to be a tent-dweller and keeper of livestock than the next person?
And even if someone was wrong on how they answered this, how on earth does that
error amount to denying the gospel or unity in Christ Jesus?
Fourthly, the repeated search for a “mild” example would
seem to me to signal an attempt at moral evasion. If someone continually
presses to find the softest possible version of racial hierarchy that might
survive the resolution, it is fair to ask why preserving such a version
matters. The ARP Synod did not condemn love of heritage, love of one’s people,
immigration policy debates, cultural memory, or national sovereignty; it
condemned a specific doctrinal claim: that superiority is born into a race or ethnic
identity by immutable characteristics. If one does not hold that view, the
resolution does not apply. On the other hand, if one does believe that some
races are inherently superior to others because of the immutable
characteristics that people are born with, then one runs afoul of the
resolution.
Having said that, it is important to state plainly what the
resolution does not address. It does not deny that cultures differ or that some
cultures that have been less influenced or uninfluenced by Christianity are
prone to certain sins, as Paul does in Titus 1:12-13**. It does not forbid
Christians from honoring their ancestry. It does not erase the biblical reality
of nations and peoples. Revelation 7:9 speaks of “a great multitude… of all
nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues” who worship the Lord together in heaven.
The diversity of humanity is part of God’s providential design, but that
diversity is not supposed to be a ranking system. The existence of distinct
peoples does not authorize inherited hierarchy. The moral law requires justice
without partiality, and as I pointed out earlier, partiality rooted in
immutable racial traits falls under the rebuke in James 2.
This is just desperation on Rev. Webb's part. He is
evidently trying to stake the whole thing on James 2 and not showing
partiality, and then says that if you recognize that white races on average are
smarter than black races, and this is inborn, ingrained, or immutable, you have
somehow violated the moral law and have been unjust. What? First of all, every
race realist I know grants that there are intelligent, even highly intelligent
people from every race, including Africans/blacks. I certainly have no problem
saying there are some Africans/blacks that have a higher IQ than I have.
Further, do cultures commit sin, or do people commit sin?
And do cultures flow out at random, or are they intimately connected with the
race of a given people? Do Indian children naturally incline toward European
culture, or vice versa? Culture is influenced by more than race alone, but who
would seriously argue that race is not a major factor, at least, in culture?
If we are allowed to honor our ancestry, then can we
actually notice that our white, European ancestry has been greatly blessed by
God, and in some ways, in fact in many ways more greatly blessed than at least
certain other ancestries? Or is this sinful? What are the rules?!
Further, certainly the influence of Christianity on a
race/nation will positively impact that race or nation, at least if God softens
their heart or their government is ruling in light of God's law, etc.
(Christian Nationalism anyone?). But it is not as if all the pagan nations were
equally heinous or equally barbaric. Some went much further than others. All
were damned without the Gospel, but some did more (or at least, sinned in
lesser degrees) with the light of nature and natural revelation than others. Some
will be beaten in hell with many stripes, some with fewer. But we also know
that God curses generationally, and visits the iniquity of fathers upon the
children to the third and fourth generation to those who hate Him and worship
idols. Calvin, Poole, Henry, and others say this ultimately applies not only to
violating the second commandment, but any commandment persisted in more broadly
speaking. And what of God's differing blessings and cursings to Shem, Ham, and
Japheth in Genesis 9, from whom came all the nations and races, all the tribes,
tongues, and nations of the world?
Fifthly, the question seems to me to be seeking create a
spectrum where none exists. It assumes that if a principle has degrees of
expression, it must have degrees of legitimacy, but Christian ethics frequently
works in binaries. Either Christ is Lord, or He is not. Either all men bear
God’s image equally, or they do not. Either immutable characteristics confer
moral superiority, or they do not.
[Ah, now that is the first time I believe I have seen
Webb or anyone pinpoint that they are talking specifically about a MORAL
superiority. All I can say is, I do not know anyone who would say that there is
an immutable MORAL superiority of this or that race. However, that is different
than noting that some races or nations are, at present and in general, more
moral than others. What do we mean when we speak of barbaric tribes vs. more
civilized races or peoples? But I do not see why we cannot say that some races,
by a combination of their intelligence, dispositions and inclinations, etc.,
are relatively less immoral than others, even without the Gospel, though of
course God may give over even such a race to judicial hardening and other
factors that would lead them to use their superior gifts for greater evils and
atrocities. But is it a sin to say that in our nation today, whites are
generally more moral than blacks, and it has been that way throughout the
history of our nation? Because it is true. And it is not hatred to say this. It
would be hatred to deny God's kindness to our own race and pretend we are worse
than we really are. And we have certainly declined as a race and nation,
morally speaking, tremendously in the last 100+ years. And what would Rev. Webb
say of Charles Hodge's words here:
'It is admitted that nations as well as
tribes and families, have their distinctive characteristics, and that these
characteristics are not only physical and mental, but also social and moral.
Some tribes are treacherous and cruel. Some are mild and confiding. Some are
addicted to gain, others to war. Some are sensual, some intellectual. We
instinctively judge of each according to its character; we like or dislike,
approve or disapprove, without asking ourselves any questions as to the origin
of these distinguishing characteristics. And if we do raise that question,
although we are forced to answer it by admitting that these dispositions are
innate and hereditary, and that they are not self-acquired by the individual
whose character they constitute, we nevertheless, and none the less, approve or
condemn them according to their nature. This is the instinctive and necessary,
and therefore the correct, judgment of the mind.'
And again, nobody is denying that all mankind is made in
God's image, and bear God's image equally. But that does not mean that all
mankind is equally moral or intelligent or gifted.]
The resolution identifies that boundary clearly; immutable
racial characteristics do not confer superiority.
I expect at this point, even after critiquing the question
itself, that someone might still say, “Well, you said a lot, but you didn’t
actually answer the question and identify the mildest position this condemns!”
So, I will answer “without horns and without teeth” as Martin Luther might have
put it: the mildest position the resolution condemns is any teaching that says,
in however restrained a way, that birth into a particular race makes one
inherently superior in worth, authority, or moral standing. Any theological or
political teaching that does that is condemned.
That is not vagueness, it is moral clarity. The line is not
drawn at the heat of the rhetoric, but at the heart of the doctrine.
Sigh. This is still vague and muddled. Go back to all I
said above. Go back to the Hodge quote. If I affirm that all are made equally
in God's image, but some are naturally more intelligent and less inclined to
heinous sins than others, so they therefore have a natural advantage in terms
of moral leadership, and in that area are superior to others, have I violated
this Egalitarian doctrine that Rev. Webb has concocted? Likely so. But his
doctrine is not found in Scripture. Natural inequalities that run along racial
lines/lineages is what we find in Scripture. If the whole rub is over
"immutable" I would argue that these are not utterly immutable,
though others have said they are relatively permanent, generally speaking. So
does that run afoul of the ARP statement/resolution? How, again, does this deny
that all mankind are equally made in God's image, and how does this violate
James 2 or Ephesians 2:14? It does not. But it does violate these
man-made Egalitarian doctrines of Rev. Webb and company.
Further, I do not know anyone who says that any
particular race or tribe should be forbidden from self-rule in all
circumstances. Honestly, some tribes or races may fall into such wickedness and
desperate straits that they need the oversight of a stronger tribe or race or
nation to rehabilitate them. Is this really that scary to say? Is it not
actually loving to be honest like this? Moreover, in Lev. 25:39-46, we
read that a kinsmen who becomes poor and sells himself to you should be treated
as a hired servant and sojourner rather than a slave, and he should be released
at the Year of Jubilee. But the children of strangers you may buy and keep as
your property. They can even become your inheritance for your children after
you and be your permanent slaves. Is this racism? Is this kinism? Is this evil?
Is this sinful partiality? If this is allegedly a dividing wall that the Gospel
has torn down, as Rev. Webb seems to suggest, then why did Paul address masters
of slaves as Christians, and simply tell them to treat their slaves well?
Further, why did he tell the Christian slaves to serve their master well? Dr.
Pipa of Greenville Seminary says that the Gospel and the NT does not abolish
slavery (https://tulipdrivenlife.blogspot.com/2026/02/dr-joseph-pipa-on-cultural-superiority.html).
Rev. Webb is a supporter of Greenville Seminary. What does this mean?
* Immutable racial characteristics refer to traits that are
inherent and cannot be changed, such as skin color, eye shape, hair texture,
facial features, or genetic ancestry. These are considered "accidents of
birth" and are protected under anti-discrimination laws like Title VII of
the Civil Rights Act of 1964, which prohibits employment discrimination based
on such unalterable attributes associated with race.
Mutable racial characteristics, in contrast, are traits or
practices that can be altered or chosen, even if they are culturally or
physiologically linked to a particular racial or ethnic group. Examples include
hairstyles, grooming practices, clothing styles, or cultural behaviors. Civil
courts have sometimes ruled that discrimination based solely on these mutable
aspects does not violate Title VII, as they are not seen as fixed or
fundamental to racial identity in the same way as immutable traits are.
** It is also important to remember that Paul correctly
assumes that the Gospel can and will change those cultures and deal with the
sins they are prone to.”
[Well first, Webb put the asterisk at a phrase that said
"immutable human characteristics" and here he says "immutable
racial characteristics". This is part of the difficulty in parsing through
all of this. But now I am more confused. Is he saying genetic ancestry has
nothing to do with your natural gifts and talents? This is, far as I can tell,
just liberalism, progressivism, racial egalitarianism, racial Gnosticism even.
And I can close by saying yes, praise God that His saving
grace changes sinners, and works in their heart, and therefore leavens a people
and improves their cultures. But this does not mean when you are born again
that you get an IQ boost, really it means that you are now at war with the
lusts of your flesh, and the reigning power of sin is no longer over you, and
so you are by the Spirit to put to death the deeds of the body, the lusts of
the flesh. But there is not a giant reset button where every born again
Christian now has an equal amount of fleshly temptations. The sins you
struggled with prior to conversion, your besetting sins, are likely the ones
you will have to fight against hardest as a Christian now. And by God's grace,
all who are justified in Christ by faith alone, will grow and mature in
sanctification, and progressively defeat the world, flesh, and the devil.
But salvation itself does not increase natural talent or
aptitude. It might indirectly, over generations, help natural capacities, as
there is an interplay between nature and nurture over generations, and the work
of the Spirit, though immediately on the soul, undoubtedly has some salutary
effects on the body and mind as well. But none of this gets you to a racial
egalitarianism where every nation or race at all times are naturally equal in
terms of giftings or aptitudes and abilities. Consider again the parable of the
talents, read that passage, look at Matthew Poole's commentary on it, etc.]
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